Email, TV Talk Add new Twists to Penn State Case

By: Mark Scolforo,Maryclaire Dale and Genaro C. Armas, AP; CBS News
By: Mark Scolforo,Maryclaire Dale and Genaro C. Armas, AP; CBS News
A former Penn State graduate assistant cited by a grand jury report as claiming he saw an ex-assistant football coach sexually abusing a young boy in a campus locker room shower says in an email he made sure the act was stopped and then went to police - contradicting what the report says.

Former Penn State assistant Jerry Sandusky was arrested Nov. 5, 2011. (Credit: AP Photo/Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General, Commonwealth Media Services)

Email, TV Talk Add new Twists to Penn State Case

State College,PA (AP) - A former Penn State graduate assistant cited by a grand jury report as claiming he saw an ex-assistant football coach sexually abusing a young boy in a campus locker room shower says in an email he made sure the act was stopped and then went to police - contradicting what the report says.

Mike McQueary's comments, in an email made available to The Associated Press on Tuesday, appeared to add more confusion to a scandal that has enveloped the university and resulted in the firing of head coach Joe Paterno, the ousting of president Graham Spanier and charges of perjury against the athletic director and a senior vice president.

McQueary, now the football team's wide receivers coach, told a friend from Penn State that he made sure the 2002 shower assault he witnessed was stopped and went to the police about it. The friend made McQueary's email, written Nov. 8, available to the AP on Tuesday on the condition he not be identified.

McQueary, who has been placed on administrative leave and did not coach in Saturday's 17-14 loss to Nebraska, wrote: "I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police .... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds ... trust me."

Added McQueary: "Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."

According to the grand jury report, McQueary testified he spoke to his father and then to Paterno before speaking to athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz, who oversaw campus police. Paterno has not been charged with any crime, and state prosecutors have said he is not a target. Curley and Schultz are accused of breaking the law by not going to police but maintain their innocence.

McQueary's actions also have been scrutinized, with some critics suggesting he didn't do enough after witnessing what he said was the sexual abuse of a child. Emails to McQueary from the AP were not immediately answered Tuesday.

McQueary's remarks in the email to his friend came less than a day after former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky's admission that he showered with and "horsed around" with boys stunned legal observers. Sandusky's comments, they said, could be used by prosecutors trying to convict him of child sex abuse charges.

Experts in criminal law and crisis management questioned Sandusky's decision to give a TV interview in which he said that there was no abuse and that any activities in a campus shower with a boy were just horseplay, not molestation.

"Mr. Sandusky goes on worldwide television and admits he did everything the prosecution claims he did, except for the ultimate act of rape or sodomy? If I were a prosecutor, I'd be stunned," said Lynne Abraham, the former district attorney of Philadelphia. "I was stunned, and then I was revolted."

Abraham, who led a grand jury probe involving 63 accused priests from the Philadelphia archdiocese, was retained this week to lead an internal investigation of Sandusky's charity, The Second Mile, from which he's accused of culling his victims.

Sandusky is charged with abusing eight boys over the span of 15 years. He told NBC on Monday that he is not a pedophile but should not have showered with boys.

"I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them, and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact," Sandusky said Monday on NBC News' "Rock Center." "I am innocent of those charges."

When NBC's Bob Costas asked him whether he was sexually attracted to underage boys, Sandusky replied: "Sexually attracted, no. I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. But, no, I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

Sandusky apparently decided to talk to Costas by phone Monday at the last minute, with the blessing of his attorney, Joseph Amendola, who was in the studio.

What was especially astonishing about Sandusky's interview was when he stumbled over the question about whether he was sexually attracted to children, said crisis management expert Eric Dezenhall, who runs a Washington consulting firm.

"That may not be legal proof that he's guilty, but it is certainly not helpful, to struggle with the question," Dezenhall said.

The state grand jury investigation that led to Sandusky's arrest followed a trail that goes back at least 13 years, leading to questions from some quarters about whether law enforcement moved too slowly.

The grand jury report detailed a 1998 investigation by Penn State police, begun after an 11-year-old boy's mother complained that Sandusky had showered with her son in the football facilities. Then-District Attorney Ray Gricar declined to file charges.

Another missed opportunity came in 2002, the grand jury said, when then-graduate assistant McQueary told Paterno that he had witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a child in the team's showers.

The case apparently took on new urgency two years ago, when a woman complained to officials at her local school district that Sandusky had sexually assaulted her son. School district officials banned him from school grounds and contacted police, leading to an investigation by state police, the attorney general's office and the grand jury.

Gov. Tom Corbett took the case on a referral from the Centre County district attorney in early 2009 while he was serving as attorney general.

He bristled Tuesday when asked whether it was fair for people to criticize the pace of the probe.

"People that are saying that are ill-informed as to how investigations are conducted, how witnesses are developed, how backup information, corroborative information is developed, and they really don't know what they're talking about," he told reporters.

The attorney general's office declined to comment on the pace of the investigation.

The Patriot-News of Harrisburg reported Monday that only one trooper was assigned to the case after the state took it over in 2009. It wasn't until Corbett became governor early this year that his former investigations supervisor in the attorney general's office, Frank Noonan, became state police commissioner and put seven more investigators on it, the newspaper said.

Noonan's spokeswoman, Maria Finn, said Tuesday that manpower was increased in the case this year, but she could not confirm the numbers reported by the newspaper.

"The investigation, at the time, was gaining momentum," Finn said. "There were more leads. There were more things to do at that point. It's not that the state police weren't doing anything and Noonan comes in and changes things."

With the case now drawing global media attention and potential civil litigants watching from the sidelines, Sandusky went on the offensive in the NBC interview.

Criminal defense lawyer Mark Geragos, who represented O.J. Simpson and other celebrity defendants, said he would "knock my client over the head with a two-by-four before I would let them do it, but it cuts both ways."

"If prosecutors use it, it can end up being testimony without cross examination," he said.

He called the Penn State case an unusual case that may call for unusual tactics, given the "instantaneous uproar to convict the guy."

Penn State's trustees have hired the public relations firm Ketchum, which through corporate communications director Jackie Burton said only that "the details of all our client assignments are confidential."

Paterno, who authorities say fulfilled his legal responsibilities, has hired Washington lawyer Wick Sollers.

Also Tuesday, lawyers for Schultz and Curley issued a statement in which they said it was "a travesty" that prosecutors sought to delay their clients' preliminary hearing until next month.

"Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz are anxious to face their accusers, clear their good names and go on with their lives," attorneys Caroline Roberto and Tom Farrell said.

The attorney general's office declined to comment on that.

Sandusky's next court date is Dec. 7, when he is due for a preliminary hearing in which a judge would determine if there's enough evidence for prosecutors to move forward with the case.


Dale reported from Philadelphia. Scolforo reported from Harrisburg, Pa. AP College Football Writer Ralph D. Russo in New York contributed to this report.

Sandusky Claims Innocence But Admits to Showers

(CBS News) - Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky admitted in an interview to air on Monday night that he showered and horsed around with boys, but maintained that he is not a pedophile.

Sandusky spoke by telephone to NBC News' Bob Costas and NBC published excerpts from the interview online before its airing.

"I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact," Sandusky said.

But he asserted, "I am innocent of those charges," even while admitting, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids.

Sandusky is at the center of a controversy that has rocked not only the Penn State football program, but the school and the state of Pennsylvania. He is charged with 40 counts related to the sexual abuse of young boys and a grand jury report documents alleged incidents of rape as well as inappropriate touching of boys he met through his charity for troubled adolescents, Second Mile.

In an interview that aired on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 program Monday night, Sandusky's attorney, Joe Amendola, said he believe in his client's innocence and called him an "overgrown kid."

"He's a jock. For anybody who's ever played sports, you get showers after you work out. ,...but the bottom line is jocks do that, They kid around, they horse around. What Jerry said in regards to the one allegation [to what] the grad student [Mike McQueary] saw, [according to Sandusky,] "We were horsing around, we weren't engaged in sexual activity."

Amendola added: "That's a far different thing...than saying that he committed these other acts, which the prosecution alleged he did. What's going to come out in this case is that Jerry did get showers with kids. What I am being told happened is that Jerry was in the shower with this kid, the kid was messing around, having a good time. He had McQuary come in and see that, he felt uncomfortable, which is exactly what [then-Penn State athletic director Tim] Curley and [then-Penn State senior vice president Gary] Schultz are saying, that it was reported by them by McQueary, that he saw Sandusky in a shower with a kid and he felt uncomfortable."

Amendola also said that Sandusky is "destroyed. People are throwing bricks through his windows at home. I have calls coming in from the police from the township where he lives saying, 'How do we protect him and his wife?' I suggested that they get away for a while but his response was, 'Where do I go? I've been all over the news. No matter where I go, [people] are going to recognize me.' He is distraught, he is absolutely devastated by what's happened to [now-former Penn State coach] Joe Paterno."

Earlier Monday, CBS News investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian reported that at least two of Sandusky's alleged victims were believed to be preparing civil lawsuits.

The suits being prepared are against Penn State University and possibly against The Second Mile, the charity for troubled kids which Sandusky founded in 1977.

Eight victims of abuse were listed in the grand jury presentment which documented allegations against the former defensive coach. Prosecutors charge Sandusky's repeated abuse of young boys dates back 15 years, and that he met his victims via The Second Mile.

Three separate, far-reaching investigations are underway into the child abuse scandal - and a university response has already cost four top officials their jobs, including the school's legendary coach Joe Paterno.

On CBS' "The Early Show" this morning, Penn State president Rodney Erickson said other victims may come forward. "That's entirely possible. I'm not aware of any at this point but certainly possible," he said.

Another revelation Monday was that the judge who set a reduced bail for Sandusky after he was arrested earlier this month was a volunteer and donor for The Second Mile.

District Judge Leslie Dutchcot, who released Sandusky on $100,000 bail - far less than the $500,000 requested by prosecutors - names The Second Mile as one of the organizations for which she volunteers, according to her attorney profile on the website of her firm, Goodall & Yurchak.

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  • by penn Location: ophile on Nov 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM
  • by grady on Nov 15, 2011 at 07:25 PM
    oh you mean we are actually allowed to defend ourselves. in america? cmon the media has already tried this case.
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      by Karen on Nov 16, 2011 at 12:25 PM in reply to grady
      I read the Grand Jury Indictment .... that's all I need to see. This man is scum of the earth. What he did to those boys was inexcusable and unforgivable. I would say that he will get the same treatment in prison but this sicko would probably enjoy it. What defense is there for raping a 10-year-old boy???
  • by Hmmm on Nov 15, 2011 at 12:08 PM
    Women who like younger men are known as cougars. Are men who like boys known as nittany lions?
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      by TeeHee on Nov 15, 2011 at 01:33 PM in reply to Hmmm
      Hahahahaha! Funny!!!!!
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      by grady on Nov 15, 2011 at 07:26 PM in reply to Hmmm
      as a nittany lion i can personally tell you to go to hell.
      • reply
        by Hmmm on Nov 16, 2011 at 06:13 AM in reply to grady
        You are stating that you like boys.
    • reply
      by penn on Nov 16, 2011 at 11:28 AM in reply to Hmmm
  • by Karen on Nov 15, 2011 at 12:03 PM
    Can we say "General Population in Prison?" That will take care of this scum. He will certainly get his just rewards there. He should be scared ..... very scared.
  • by Wha??? on Nov 15, 2011 at 10:36 AM
  • by Vic on Nov 15, 2011 at 09:15 AM
    This low life is worse than bill clinton who had the audacity in stating, "I never inhaled" Feed this perverted low life to the sharks.
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      by ME on Nov 15, 2011 at 11:24 AM in reply to Vic
      I don't see the Bill Clinton's problems don't compare to BBill. Even in Bill's sex scandel it was a consentual sex with an ADULT
      • reply
        by THINKER on Nov 15, 2011 at 03:42 PM in reply to ME
        Excuse me! When a celebrity inserts his own interpretation of what "sex" there is a connection. Sex is sex, be it with a child or adult.
  • by gus on Nov 15, 2011 at 07:58 AM
    If it was ok for Michael Jackson, why not for Sandusky...and I support MJ's doctor for what he did...something that the court system would not.
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      by me on Nov 15, 2011 at 11:25 AM in reply to gus
      really? hope you don't have children.
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        by Gus on Nov 15, 2011 at 01:26 PM in reply to me
        Please, you darn well that most of America gave MJ a free pass, as did the media and the court system....all because MJ paid off the family. If either one of the two did that to my children...lets just say the court system wouldnt have been involved...I am glad that MJ's doctor off that pediphile...I now hope the same for Sandusky
  • by Anon on Nov 15, 2011 at 06:37 AM
    How can this man claim that he is innocent when someone saw him in the shower with a child. That is inappropriate behavior in any and every circumstance after working out or football practice or even if some students were jocks. It's unacceptable behavior for an adult to engage in. This man is not only a pedophile but he is a pervert and a sexual predator and should be treated as such. This "Second Mile" was only a cover to give him access to little children to molest and abuse and the truth will come out. He should be in prison and not be allowed to have contact with boys or children ever again.
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      by Di on Nov 15, 2011 at 07:31 AM in reply to Anon
  • by Anonymous on Nov 15, 2011 at 06:30 AM
  • by Jake on Nov 15, 2011 at 06:28 AM
    Starting to sound like a big money spin.
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