TallahasseeVoices: Citizens Speak Out On County Attorney

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By: Eyewitness News; TallahasseeVoices

Full survey can be found above in PDF format.

Tallahassee, Florida - May 3, 2011 -

The following was present to TallahasseeVoices Panelists:

Leon County Attorney Herb Thiele recently asked Leon
County Commissioners to change a County policy that
governs how long employees must work to get paid for
unused leave time. The previous policy stated that an
employee must have 25 years of service to receive his
or her money for unused leave time. County Attorney
Thiele asked the Commissioners to change the policy
so he could get $77,000 although he had worked only
21 years rather than 25 years. Commissioners granted
his request and changed the policy. Thiele was paid
$77,000 minus income tax withholding.

• 73% of the panel do not believe Leon County Attorney Herb Thiele
should be paid $77,000 for unused leave when he has not worked for
Leon County for the required (under the old policy) 25 years

• 63% believe Thiele abused his power as Leon County Attorney when
making his request to the Leon County Commission to change the
number of years required to collect money for unused leave

• 61% believe Attorney Thiele should be required by the Leon County
Commission to give back the $77,000 until or unless he works 25 years as required under the previous policy

• 75% believe that ethics charges against County Commissioners Proctor, Thaell, and DePuy; ethics charges against Mayor Marks; and Leon County Commission’s decision to grant Thiele’s request to lower the number of years required to get money for unused leave from 25 to 21 years create an atmosphere of corruption in local government.

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  • by Jim Location: Tallahassee on May 3, 2011 at 06:55 PM
    What we have here is a prime example of the golden rule: "Those who have the gold make the rules". Tell me why Thiele deserved special treatment. I've got a son starting college this fall, but I don't see anyone changing the rules to make it easier on us!
  • by truth Location: fl on May 3, 2011 at 03:19 PM
    most counties allow payment of leave after vesting, 6 to 10 years.
  • by Foxgloves Location: tlh on May 3, 2011 at 02:35 PM
    I hope the FBI is calling for additional personnel as they will need it for the city and county investigations. Inovation Park-- $600,000 there, $77,000 for the county attorney, allthe buy outs, pay offs, gifts, exotic vacations to Hawaii/ South America and more under the guise of county business, the sex charges, and legal bills for representing these electeds over many years, growth management, passing or not passing certain developments,depending on who you are friends with, destroying anyone and their property you don't like, all the little fees added on to every utility, property bill, county manager, making maybe a million every year when you add in all the extras to the $280,000 salary, bids!!! what a laugh. All 7 and the county manager should be put out of office, and their high priced "adminstrative"assistants who are paid more than most men out working hard jobs to feed their families. The pocket books of the public is theirs for the taking. We have no voice like the county attorney. Dumb voters keep putting them back in office, year after year.
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      by Heroes on May 3, 2011 at 03:15 PM in reply to Foxgloves
      I admire Foxgloves for being to remember many of the corrupt acts here in Tallahassee. I am sure that this is a small fraction of the corrupt acts that occur here. We need to call in Seal Team 6 to take care of our corruption.
  • by Perception? Location: Think Tank on May 3, 2011 at 11:52 AM
    For those that opine " The survey was about perception." Well, HELLO! My perception is that we have a wheelbarrow full of corruption in our local government. We need a backhoe to dig it out. ( I was not referring to the prostitution sting when I mentioned backhoe.)
  • by Frances Location: Tallahassee on May 3, 2011 at 10:10 AM
    Corruption in local govt.? Oh my, where should I start.... I agree with the previous poster about Proctor. How he can get away with saying the nonsense he does IS criminal. But apparently we are NOT all created equal - most of us would be in jail for doing some things that others are getting rich on!
  • by Special Rules for Location: Public Officials on May 3, 2011 at 09:54 AM
    An attorney, of all people, should be well aware of the contents of any contractual relationship they are entering into. The spend an entire semester on contract law. I contend that the county attorney had 21 years to become aware of the rules and should abide by them ESPECIALLY during difficult budgetary times. We cut money from the disabled. Give 77,000 to an attorney. Explain that to an Autistic child. OR one with MS., Cancer. Thiele, Proctor, MArks and company should return their windfalls to the citizens.
  • by Look at it this way on May 3, 2011 at 09:52 AM
    OK, here is another slant to the situation. I believe that you ought to be paid for any and all accumulated leave. If you take it during your time working you are paid for it. Most of us can't afford to take leave time off, so it just accumulates, why not pay us for it.
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      by agreed on May 3, 2011 at 10:47 AM in reply to Look at it this way
      but that doesn't justify this...
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      by Another opinion on May 4, 2011 at 07:38 AM in reply to Look at it this way
      Most county jobs only offer you 25% of what you have accumulated, which would've been around 19K as opposed to his 77K. I think that's a little more fair considering the rest of us only get that. Seems as though the BOCC always has some money, but yet I haven't seen a cost of living raise in 4 years and my pay is about to get cut up to 5%. Nice.
  • by Arthur Location: Tallahassee on May 3, 2011 at 09:07 AM
    The survey deals with perception. Granted if someone other than the County Attorney made the request, it might not have been granted. The point is, sometimes you MUST ask for those things you want or need, and sometimes the answer is yes. Not only was the 20-year rule reduced for him, but for everyone else behind him. I don't see the harm.
  • by Arthur Kirby on May 3, 2011 at 09:02 AM
    The survey deals with perception. Granted if someone other than the County Attorney made the request, the request might not have been honored. The point is, he asked -and- was given approval for not just him, but for everyone with 20 years of service. Sometimes you have to ASK to get those things you want. I don't see the harm.
  • by Danu Location: Tallahassee on May 3, 2011 at 08:07 AM
    It is definitely a manipulation to change established 'rules' to take care of a comrade who didn't want the rules to apply to him. I am sure he works hard, but this is a blatant example of 'working the system' to serve self interests.
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